{"id":1417298,"date":"2025-01-15T15:58:05","date_gmt":"2025-01-15T15:58:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.gaytimes.com\/?p=1417298"},"modified":"2025-01-29T13:44:03","modified_gmt":"2025-01-29T13:44:03","slug":"lesbian-mothers-custody-documentary-melanie-chait","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.gaytimes.com\/justice\/lesbian-mothers-custody-documentary-melanie-chait\/","title":{"rendered":"The ground-breaking documentary which broke the silence on lesbian mothers\u2019 custody struggles"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Four decades on from its original release, Sophie Wilkinson speaks with Melanie Chait, the director of the 1985 documentary <i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Breaking the Silence.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p>WORDS<strong> SOPHIE WILKINSON<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gaytimes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/breaking-the-silence.png\" \/><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Lesbian mums might be a normal part of LGBTQIA+ culture, but it\u2019s not always been this way. As I recently uncovered for a BBC Radio 4 documentary <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/programmes\/m0025vb2\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Missing Pieces: The Lesbian Mothers Scandal<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, family court judges from the 1970s to the 1990s frequently took custody off of lesbians. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Before the advent of artificial and then donor insemination, women would marry men, as was expected of them, have kids, then realise that they were lesbians. They\u2019d divorce, and while there was no specific law banning lesbian mums from keeping custody, judges\u2019 discretion ruled. So lesbians were often considered unfit mothers simply on the basis of their sexuality. During my research I came across at least 30 women affected, but the true number is likely far higher.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">While there was no specific law banning lesbian mums from keeping custody, judges\u2019 discretion ruled. So lesbians were often considered unfit mothers simply on the basis of their sexuality.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the documentary, women whose children were taken from them, as well as children affected, speak of the traumatic impacts of being separated, and most of them want an apology from the Government. The Government\u2019s official response was: \u201cThe law in the 1970s and 80s reflected societal attitudes of the time. We now recognise those societal attitudes as deeply discriminatory, and our heartfelt sympathies are with all those who suffered as a result. While we cannot comment on the decisions of judges in individual cases, the government is committed to ensuring equality and fairness in today\u2019s justice system.\u201d As a result, a petition has been set up <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/petition.parliament.uk\/petitions\/712574\/sponsors\/new?token=QTA9f5wwpVhXU98wc4r8\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">to call for a Government apology<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Back then, organising was different. Support groups and phone lines were set up to help the plight of lesbian mums. And awareness was boosted in 1985, when Melanie Chait\u2019s feature-length documentary, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/video.alexanderstreet.com\/watch\/lesbian-mothers-breaking-the-silence\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Breaking the Silence<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, was aired on Channel 4. In it, she speaks to a range of lesbian mothers to find out how they parented, how they lost custody and the sometimes years-long battle to try and regain it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I called Melanie to find out what it was like making that documentary, how hard it was to get it commissioned and what she thinks should happen to those women and their families still dealing with the trauma of being separated from their own kids.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"vimeo-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/716765899?h=893671963c\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h4><b>What first inspired you to make your documentary?\u00a0<\/b><\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I was a political activist and filmmaker in the 1980s so, as a lesbian, I felt it was important to document and bear witness to the social injustices that surrounded me. I\u2019d made another documentary, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Veronica 4 Rose<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, for Channel 4, because I&#8217;d become aware of the escalation of teenage lesbian suicides, and felt it was necessary to portray positive role models and provide a growing support system. But with <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Breaking The Silence<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, I wanted lesbian mothers to feel empowered and to know that they weren&#8217;t alone. And it was important for wider society to know what happens to lesbian mothers in custody cases, and to have the normative society\u2019s preconceived ideas about lesbians challenged.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h4><b>You\u2019re British-South African, so why was the focus on the UK rather than other countries?\u00a0<\/b><\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I wasn\u2019t allowed in South Africa as I was persona non grata [the apartheid Government of 1948-1991 not only treated Black and ethnic minorities as second-class citizens but also <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/overcomingapartheid.msu.edu\/sidebar.php?kid=163-581-1#:~:text=Banned%20people%20were%20barred%20from,or%20to%20publish%20in%20newspapers.\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">banned political activists<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> from free expression and participation] and so I lived in London and was lucky enough to come of age during the growing women\u2019s movement.<\/span><\/p>\n<h4><b>How was the film funded and commissioned?<\/b><\/h4>\n<p>had received huge ratings and publicity, and part of Channel 4\u2019s remit was to provide programming for minorities which in the era of \u00a0Mary Whitehouse was usually challenged.<\/p>\n<p>On the strength of Veronica 4 Rose I was asked to make more lesbian films. In the 1980s there was research and development money, which meant there was time to find women from all over the UK, not just London. We could represent a cross section of women in terms of age, race, class, region, to show their experience, and also to portray lesbian mothers with well-adjusted children in an attempt to undermine stereotypes.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It was important for wider society to know what happens to lesbian mothers in custody cases, and to have the normative society\u2019s preconceived ideas about lesbians challenged.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h4><b>How did you find subjects to speak with?<\/b><\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There&#8217;d been a theatre piece called <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/unfinishedhistories.com\/history\/companies\/gay-sweatshop\/care-and-control\/\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Care and Control<\/span><\/i><\/a> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">by Nancy <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Diuguid<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kate Crutchley <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">and through that I found women and lawyers beginning to take on the custody battles. I advertised widely through the women\u2019s press and sort of networking available at the time; newsletters, fairs, bookstores.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h4><b>What was the environment like for lesbians in the UK at that time ?<\/b><\/h4>\n<p>Living in London and in the bigger cities was very exciting .\u00a0There were so many struggles and campaigns, from feminism to anti-racism and nuclear disarmament movements. I think we truly thought we could bring about a new world order. A huge groundswell had begun, and that was just very thrilling. I feel very privileged\u00a0to have been part of that then, but obviously it was very different in more rural and remote areas.<\/p>\n<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gaytimes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/unnamed-scaled.jpg\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gaytimes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/unnamed-1-scaled.jpg\" \/><p><em>Courtesy of Melanie Chait<\/em><\/p><h4><b>Did you encounter any obstacles while making this documentary?<\/b><\/h4>\n<div>\n<p>Filmmaking involves an enormous amount of problem solving. But I think on the whole there weren\u2019t too many curveballs. And I think as a woman-only crew, which was fairly unusual, we felt victorious. We really felt we were creating new role models.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<h4><b>What was the most poignant moment of the documentary for you?<\/b><\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We managed to obtain permission to film inside the Royal Courts of Justice, which was the first time permission had been granted to film there. And then you see the woman being filmed there, revealing the horrors of what had taken place to them in that very same space, and in a sense, they were claiming back that space and undermining its power.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It felt brilliant and exciting in London [in the 1980s]. There were so many struggles and campaigns, from feminism to anti-racism and nuclear disarmament movements. I think we truly thought we could bring about a new world order.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h4><b>What did you think of what they disclosed?\u00a0<\/b><\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the time, when an issue was highlighted on TV, it gave it an additional legitimacy. But I mean, change is always slow, and I suppose, as a filmmaker, you are only adding to an emerging consciousness. But by contributing to a developing zeitgeist, it hopefully facilitates a greater understanding.<\/span><\/p>\n<h4><b>What was the response like?<\/b><\/h4>\n<p>There was a huge hunger for lesbian films and TV programmes. Because no matter how awful the stories told, it was recognition that lesbians existed. Until the 1970s the tragically gay feature film <em>The Killing of Sister George<\/em> was probably the best known. Then in the 1970s, <em>M\u00e4dchen in Uniform<\/em> was rediscovered, also the tragic trope. \u00a0By the 1970s there were positive and proud lesbian documentaries coming out of the States made by lesbian filmmakers like Jan Oxenberg and Barbara Hammer. But as far as I can remember no film had been made about lesbian mothers, so <em>Breaking the Silence<\/em> broke new ground and had a huge response. We had a pamphlet printed for lesbian mothers that was advertised at the end of the film, and Channel 4 was very surprised that it was in such great demand. Jeremy Isaacs [founder of Channel 4] considered it one of the channel\u2019s flagship programmes.<\/p>\n<h4><b>What do you think of the lesbian mum\u2019s request for an apology from the government?<\/b><\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think it would be wonderful. I think an acknowledgement of what so many women and children lived through would be just very, very appreciated. Whether it would happen, I don&#8217;t know. It&#8217;s not a difficult thing to do. I think it would just take some respect and humility on the Government\u2019s side to do it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Listen to <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Missing Pieces: The Lesbian Mothers Scandal<\/span><\/i> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/programmes\/m0025vb2\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">here<\/span><\/a><\/h3>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Four decades on from its original release, Sophie Wilkinson speaks with Melanie Chait, the director of the 1985 documentary Breaking the Silence. 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